[w1ldman]

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[Clint44]

Good post,Mike. Even in this slow economy,the different V8 bike & trike manufacturers aren't backing off from introducing new products. Nice thing about competition is it doesn't allow standing still.

More than a couple of BH dealers have told me that the factory does not want them to post anything on here. Don't know how true that is,though.

Stan is working on some kind of emissions testing but again,I don't know how extensive. I'll ask him about it at Daytona.

 

[BADGER Dave]

Stan"s the Man!!....It's great in this day and age to have someone who stands behind a great Product and works to make it better!!.....
"SABERTOOTH"....To tell you the truth I've been getting the run-around from them for over a year....Called down to Lauderdale a couple weeks ago and asked if I could come down and check out some of there up and coming projects....Was told that they have nothing at all to show.

Sorry to say it, but I think like the Original Sabertooth,they have also gone "EXTINCT"...No more waiting for me.

Badger...Dave

 

[w1ldman]

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[TJzz4]

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[Ric]

"And now for something completely different.... a continuance of this threads guidlines steering back to the current 2 speed transmisson produced by V8 Choppers." (Spoken in a Monte Python accent, of course.)

I'm wondering Tom, if the transmission and bell housing set up with this new transmission is too long for the current Boss Hoss setup... could a swing arm be shortened to accomodate the difference? Longer 'side rails that bolt up to the frame... etc. I'm curious as to HOW much longer the V8 Chopper set up is compared to BH.

It would be nice to know that... as it's good to have a viable option to the current version in our BH bikes. AND... is the bell housing different on the BB and the SB? Bolt pattern wise?

 

[CanuckHoss]

The path to design a transmission from a blank sheet of paper is long even if you have a LOT of money to throw at it. To make a 4-speed transmission that would work in a motorcycle application, Sabertooth had to design a whole new gear case as well as the internal gears and components. I know they spent in excess of $50,000 just making the prototype case and components. been met which are to have a reliable machine available at the price

The speculation and mis information being handed out here daily boggles the mind. Barry's post this morning is a perfect example of that. While anyone can make a typo and I know Barry means well the newby would read that and think "Aha, now I know how to operate this thing correctly. I read it on the the bike site so it has to be true."


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Tom..

Sorry for the hijack answer...only one I swear..it is not right I agree

WLDMAN,

Someone designed the first true 2 speed auto tranny w/ true reverse for the Boss Hoss in the 24 hour drive it took to get back to Toronto from Dayotna...it is not rocket science...just have to think outside the box and SMALL..and the complete cost to get a working unit was about $50,000 with I beleive a 6 month window start to finish.

And...misinformation?? what I put on has not been on here for days so all the newbies are going out and wrecking their Boss Hoss bike...I made the mistake of hitiing the send button and leving the house for 2 hours ...Ric picked up on it right away and saved my arse and called me on it...therefore stopping someone for taking it as gospel.. I don't beleive there is that much mis-information on here daily..makes us all sound like idiots.

 

[Giancarlo Cuciz]

Craig,

Let me first say I am not pro-Stan or pro-Sabretooth..I am pro-both...I love V8's anything...I wish them both huge success..and like them both as I do the Hoss.

I beleive the reason Sabretooth is not out in the running yet is they are going for FULL DOT and EPA before releasing the product. ..then they have all of the world as there market. Stan is not doing that so can release anything easier and quicker. I don't think is was as simple as "whip" but hopefully it is "bulletproof".

I BELIEVE the new 2 speed transmission WILL BE BULLET PROOF
when Stan gets the new Touring bike available, it is possible that there may be some bugs in the 2 speed transmission or adjustments to be made, but not to worry Stan will make it good, make it better, and make it right.
Stan builds quality, and is always looking to improve . And He stands behind his bikes & Trikes 100++++%


Ciao
Giancarlo
Ride Smart

 

[Ric]

 

[Ric]

Tom..

Sorry for the hijack answer...only one I swear..it is not right I agree

WLDMAN,

Someone designed the first true 2 speed auto tranny w/ true reverse for the Boss Hoss in the 24 hour drive it took to get back to Toronto from Dayotna...it is not rocket science...just have to think outside the box and SMALL..and the complete cost to get a working unit was about $50,000 with I beleive a 6 month window start to finish.

And...misinformation?? what I put on has not been on here for days so all the newbies are going out and wrecking their Boss Hoss bike...I made the mistake of hitiing the send button and leving the house for 2 hours ...Ric picked up on it right away and saved my arse and called me on it...therefore stopping someone for taking it as gospel.. I don't beleive there is that much mis-information on here daily..makes us all sound like idiots.

This bears repeating....

 

[w1ldman]

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[Ric]

I never doubted that you cats would kiss and make up... lol.

 

[SQ4MN]

I have seen and touched the new 2 speed transmission with a true "reverse" and a "park", the machine work and casting looks great to me. The next breathtaking event will be when the new touring bike rolls out of the V8 Chopper factory, complete with the new two speed and a rear suspension. The new V8 bike with the design, quality, and service that everybody is used to with all the rest of the V8 Chopper bikes will finally be available as a touring bike. I'm selling bikes in Daytona this week and have already taken orders for the new bike. Dave

 

[CanuckHoss]

I never doubted that you cats would kiss and make up... lol.

Ric,,,

I hate the written words...never ever conveys tone of voice or facial expressions...

Dave,

Congrats man....Sell...sell...sell!!!

And along with you, everyone is anxious for the unveiling of the touring version...whenever that is.

I really need to figure out a way for us Canucks to get to Daytona with our bikes...a financial feasible way...

 

[Ric]

Ric,,,

I hate the written words...never ever conveys tone of voice or facial expressions...

Dave,

Congrats man....Sell...sell...sell!!!

And along with you, everyone is anxious for the unveiling of the touring version...whenever that is.

I really need to figure out a way for us Canucks to get to Daytona with our bikes...a financial feasible way...

Yeah, I get that now and again Barry, here - and Facebook or any other typewritten communication like this. It's funny, no matter how concise, clear, or presice you make your comment - even if you include much supportive dialogue to ensure it is taken in correct context by all souls that read our language... It WILL be mis-construed my some, and when they respond... fuel's the fire to re-direct those souls that orginally GOT your message as you intended - Who inturn, begin a new dialogue of combat of misunderstood text. Then the heat rises... and it takes on a new fire of it's own... far and apart from one single comment. We tend to do that. Sadly. :dontknow:

HOWEVER... not all of us fall victim to this.... (What ever you want to call it.)

 

[CarlLaFong]

I originally chose to stay out of this entire conversation, and in fact, will be posting only on rare occasions on this board. This will certainly please, at least, a few.
This thread began nicely enough, but soon turned into a rant about Sabertooth and Stan's recycled transmission. Firstly, this is a brand new unit. It is NOT the VR-2 transmission, which was the original two speed built by Vic Richards. It doesn't resemble it any fashion. Unlike the VR-2 and the Nesco, this one is , I'm sure,is hell for stout. As Squirm said the castings and machine work look good to him. For those who don't know him, Dave is an accomplished machinist and his work and attention to detail is first class, so if he says it's good, it is.
The new V8 Chopper two speed is not the godsend some think it is. Stan isn't in the business of selling transmissions. He builds motorcycles. It isn't a cure for BHs weaknesses. It is a trans for his new line of bikes. Maybe someday he will have an extra or two that he may sell, but don't hold your breath. You'll know when this comes about because the first “extra” trans already has my name on it.
Secondly, it seems that Stan is being portrayed as a lightweight because he isn't going after DOT/CARB certification. He is quite happy, building a limited number of bikes, flying (legally) under the government radar and having a good time while he's at it. He doesn't need California's blessing, he sells every bike that he builds. How many BHs are languishing in the showrooms? He is, nearly, sold out at Daytona as I type this.
As to the touring bike. If it is as well built and the detailing is anything like the Chopper (and it will be), BH should be glad he isn't DOT/CARB compliant or, I think, they might be in big trouble. It's going to be the bike everyone has wanted for all these years.
I will not comment on Sabertooth to any great degree. I have spoken, at length, with people involved in the whole Breedlove/Sabertooth deal. I have heard some disturbing stories. If they build the new 4 speed, it will bring another dimension to the whole V8 bike deal. One thing troubles me. If there is a new trans, why are there no pictures? It can't be secrecy, since it's been announced by Sabertooth. No body can steal it by seeing a picture. Has anyone actually seen it or is it the Loch Ness Transmission?

 

[Oil Man]

I originally chose to stay out of this entire conversation, and in fact, will be posting only on rare occasions on this board. This will certainly please, at least, a few.
This thread began nicely enough, but soon turned into a rant about Sabertooth and Stan's recycled transmission. Firstly, this is a brand new unit. It is NOT the VR-2 transmission, which was the original two speed built by Vic Richards. It doesn't resemble it any fashion. Unlike the VR-2 and the Nesco, this one is , I'm sure,is hell for stout. As Squirm said the castings and machine work look good to him. For those who don't know him, Dave is an accomplished machinist and his work and attention to detail is first class, so if he says it's good, it is.
The new V8 Chopper two speed is not the godsend some think it is. Stan isn't in the business of selling transmissions. He builds motorcycles. It isn't a cure for BHs weaknesses. It is a trans for his new line of bikes. Maybe someday he will have an extra or two that he may sell, but don't hold your breath. You'll know when this comes about because the first “extra” trans already has my name on it.
Secondly, it seems that Stan is being portrayed as a lightweight because he isn't going after DOT/CARB certification. He is quite happy, building a limited number of bikes, flying (legally) under the government radar and having a good time while he's at it. He doesn't need California's blessing, he sells every bike that he builds. How many BHs are languishing in the showrooms? He is, nearly, sold out at Daytona as I type this.
As to the touring bike. If it is as well built and the detailing is anything like the Chopper (and it will be), BH should be glad he isn't DOT/CARB compliant or, I think, they might be in big trouble. It's going to be the bike everyone has wanted for all these years.
I will not comment on Sabertooth to any great degree. I have spoken, at length, with people involved in the whole Breedlove/Sabertooth deal. I have heard some disturbing stories. If they build the new 4 speed, it will bring another dimension to the whole V8 bike deal. One thing troubles me. If there is a new trans, why are there no pictures? It can't be secrecy, since it's been announced by Sabertooth. No body can steal it by seeing a picture. Has anyone actually seen it or is it the Loch Ness Transmission?

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[Elsboss]

I originally chose to stay out of this entire conversation, and in fact, will be posting only on rare occasions on this board. This will certainly please, at least, a few.
This thread began nicely enough, but soon turned into a rant about Sabertooth and Stan's recycled transmission. Firstly, this is a brand new unit. It is NOT the VR-2 transmission, which was the original two speed built by Vic Richards. It doesn't resemble it any fashion. Unlike the VR-2 and the Nesco, this one is , I'm sure,is hell for stout. As Squirm said the castings and machine work look good to him. For those who don't know him, Dave is an accomplished machinist and his work and attention to detail is first class, so if he says it's good, it is.
The new V8 Chopper two speed is not the godsend some think it is. Stan isn't in the business of selling transmissions. He builds motorcycles. It isn't a cure for BHs weaknesses. It is a trans for his new line of bikes. Maybe someday he will have an extra or two that he may sell, but don't hold your breath. You'll know when this comes about because the first “extra” trans already has my name on it.
Secondly, it seems that Stan is being portrayed as a lightweight because he isn't going after DOT/CARB certification. He is quite happy, building a limited number of bikes, flying (legally) under the government radar and having a good time while he's at it. He doesn't need California's blessing, he sells every bike that he builds. How many BHs are languishing in the showrooms? He is, nearly, sold out at Daytona as I type this.
As to the touring bike. If it is as well built and the detailing is anything like the Chopper (and it will be), BH should be glad he isn't DOT/CARB compliant or, I think, they might be in big trouble. It's going to be the bike everyone has wanted for all these years.
I will not comment on Sabertooth to any great degree. I have spoken, at length, with people involved in the whole Breedlove/Sabertooth deal. I have heard some disturbing stories. If they build the new 4 speed, it will bring another dimension to the whole V8 bike deal. One thing troubles me. If there is a new trans, why are there no pictures? It can't be secrecy, since it's been announced by Sabertooth. No body can steal it by seeing a picture. Has anyone actually seen it or is it the Loch Ness Transmission?

I have quit posting here with the exception of one post weeks back and now this. Had to jump in to support all LaFong says above with a few more comments.

Location: At Daytona and hanging around Stan's/V8Choppers daily in between rides and enjoying old friendships. Interestingly, one of those rides all day yesterday was with a super nice guy, and new friend, who has built the only 2 Sabertooth bikes I've seen for the "factory". One is the turbo Ford bike. It's a one off. I'll only say that he's a super good guy, the bikes are very unrefined in my opinion, and reading all Wildman's eloquent editorials about Sabertooth is like reading a comic strip series. Perhaps this board has evolved into that though as evidenced by Ric's drawings and other rants and posts by those who must be suffering cabin fever. Is there anything you guys don't weigh in on? I could draw additional comparisons between those drawings and Wildman's endorsements of Sabertooth but won't. His suggestions about this new transmission were a laugh in spite of being insulting.

I bring this up because of my distain for seeing a thread that was ground breaking for the V8 bike community morph into what it did and usually ends up doing. There should have been little short of ewwws and ahhhs with the unveiling of the new V8 bike and transmission. There's a metamorphasis going on that is very apparent. I'm within eyeshot of three Boss Hoss dealers in Daytona and while V8Choppers has been a bee hive of activity with double digit sales in a matter of a few days, there's little action elsewhere. The sum result I get out of that is V8Choppers is the V8 bike company of the future. I don't say this biased or trying to salt a wound. it was a comment made by a number of Harley folks I talked to while standing around Daytona as well as being blatantly evident myself.

To my many California friends and the few I have in Canada, as a moderately successful business person, I personally wouldn't give a s__t for two seconds whether I could sell in those markets. As LaFong so aptly points out, Stan sells everything he produces with customer orders constantly at his door. He has a very successful business model without trying to be global. It also enables him to have a personal relationship with each customer which he greatly enjoys not to mention the benefit to the customer...who's now a friend. How many can claim the same with their bike mfg? I hope he never chooses to change this extremely successful strategy.

For those that are stuck with the wish for a better transmission to replace the one they have, I fully understand that and also wish you had that opportunity. But only in the face of there not being another alternative to the Boss which some consider the chopper not to be and I understand that in spite of myself and the many other V8Chopper owners obviosly feeling different...at least until now. The time has now come to dispose of that notion because number one, this new tranny will not even closely be able to qualify as a retrofit for a Boss and number two, the new bike will provide all the positive attributes of your bikes...and much much more. Those who didn't migrate to the chopper because of single speed and suspension, here the time now may be. You guys should be thrilled that there is now more than one flavor ice cream...and cool V8 bike!

To me, this Daytona unveiling has opened a new and very exciting chapter in the V8 bike world.

Elliot (formerly known as "Elsboss")

 

[CanuckHoss]

:hijacked:

Let's get back to the thread topic.....

 

[w1ldman]

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