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It looks like I have a rear Avon that's out of round. I'm gonna take the wheel up to a tire place and have them try re-mounting it, or deflate and move it around on the rim and see how it looks when spun on the balancer. If it's still the same, I have a new tire to put on.
My question is, when you guys have removed the Hub halves from the wheel, were the "lugnuts" really hard to get off? I remember last year when I changed the rear tire, it was difficult to first unscrew them, and then, when putting the Hub back on the wheel, difficult to even get them started, and then to tighten them all the way. I figured this was because of the holes that the lugs go through in the wheel, and then the hub, are very close tolerence. I hope I wasn't cross threading, but I did try just putting the nuts on the lugs first, and they didn't just spin on like a car wheel's lug nuts. What do you think? Normal or not? Thanks.......Don B
 

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Don;

Just had a similar experience installing a "new to my scoot" rear wheel. After the same discovery you had, I tried the lugs in the wheel by itself, and they wouldn't go.

I spent the next couple hours with various solvents cleaning old anti-sieze from the wheel until the lugs would fit thru well. Then ran a "bottom out" tap into the lug bolts to clean them, and a dye onto the male threads to clean them. Applied a fresh application of new anti-sieze, and all worked well.

Hope this is worded well enough to be helpful.

Ride Safe!

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That's just fine Jack! Anti seize eh? Now that you mention it, I do seem to recall some gak in the threads. I put some WD 40 on them, but maybe they'll need a more thorough cleanup. You don't happen to remember what size tap and die you used do you????? Thanks for the info!.......Don B
 

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Don;

No, they were courtesy of a visiting friend and I really didn't pay attention.

If you have residual "STUFF" in the threads, you will find it in both the male and female threads, also the close tolerance holes in the wheel itself.

Also, I finally resorted to the origional mechanics solvent (gasoline). Makes your cigarettes taste like Hell if you don't wash your hands well! (Gotta stop that Crap!).

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Jack,
I have the "nasty habit" too. But I'm waiting for them to discover smoking, contrary to previous studies, is actually good for what ails ya!
What the Hell.... If it's not the smokes, it'll probably be all that asbestos I inhaled while doing brake jobs as a kid. Moral of the story........Have a good time, cause ya never know!. :capwin: Later.......Don
 

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Don;

I know not the right forum for this, and I'm not on the bandwagon for anyone other than myself, but I just (4th of this month) became probably Permanently Grounded as a Commericial Pilot knowing (now) smoking 45+ years was a major factor.

Guess I'm just hunting for all them "TO _ JU _ SO'S!"

Course I knew a fellow run over with a BEER TRUCK also!

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Don...would seem to me that you couldn't cross thread nuts that large without knowing it. I doubt you could do so without considerable effort and would know. Back them out and look at the threads and you'll know for sure. I'm confident it would be very hard to do without being aware of the torque needed to do what you are afraid of...Joe
 

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Don,

Just put the "juice" on the scoot and don't worry about the OOR rear tires..........they will only last 2,000 miles anyway :lol: And you very seldom feel anything from the rear end....too busy concentrating on NOT getting your woody caught in the bars as you get all crossed up at 70+ :wink: :lol: 8)

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Tim,
I've been trying to round it out doing the smokies, but it doesn't seem to have worked. I can feel it when I'm just cruising along at say........40 to 50 MPH, and I can see it if I lift the rear tire off the ground, and watch it spin at ground level. It just annoys me. I like the ride as smooth as I can get it so I can really enjoy the potholes when I hit one! Or maybe I should say the elusive smooth patch every now and then!
Getting sideways at 70 is why I'm hesitant to put on the Juice. I know damn well if I have it I'm gonna use it....often. I get myself into enough trouble as it is, being I can't seem to stop going WOT every chance I get. It's the old Good Angel / Bad Angel again. Only the Bad Angle seems to win out most the time! Ha Ha! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Joe, I'm taking the rear wheel off tomorrow. It was pretty hard to get those lug nuts off, and then back on again last time, but I also doubt a cross thread, as you usually can't screw a nut down all the way without shearing it off. So it is probably just Gak in the threads. I'll clean them out this time round.
I'm such a "stickler." I make myself sick sometimes!.........Don
 

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Joe, I'm taking the rear wheel off tomorrow. It was pretty hard to get those lug nuts off, and then back on again last time, but I also doubt a cross thread, as you usually can't screw a nut down all the way without shearing it off. So it is probably just Gak in the threads. I'll clean them out this time round.
I'm such a "stickler." I make myself sick sometimes!.........Don
Don, when I took the rear wheel off last year it was very hard to get the nuts off and on, too. I like it this way, cause what's hard to get on is not coming loose by itself.

If you've got the rear wheel out, then the nuts are a lot less difficult to
get off and on if you take the brake rotor off. You can tighten and torque
them now while holding your socket wrench straight- not "angled"
like you've to when the brake rotor is attached.

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Boss Man,

Maybe you might consider a car tire. They are perfectly round, less than 1/2 the price, will last 5 or 6 times as long, and they track pretty much straight ahead during a burnout. I put one on mine before Daytona and after riding with it down there, I really like it. The bike is now smooth and it handles great. The handling is different than before, but not scary by any means. I haven't had the chance to try a burnout yet because I had my sweetie on the back during the whole trip and she threatened to fly home if I tried. But as soon as the weather smartens up here I'm going to get out there and see what happens. :)

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Question: Will a car tire fit my stock rim? Which tire would you suggest for best ride and durability for smoking? I'm not really interested in a sticky tire for shooting out of the hole. Just something to play with....all around fun.
 

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Ricky;

My Boss has 2002 wheels and I have a Dunlap SP Sport 8000 tire in P245/50 ZR15.

My scoot also has late model bodywork, and fenders, and I did NOT have to trim the fender where it's indented for the belt guard, the tire clears it well.

http://www.tirerack.com/ is probably the most economical place to get whatever car tire you chose, if you chose a car tire.

Busa Dave told me about this site several months ago. My Bud @ Tires Plus couldn't better their price, and actually ordered my tire thru them.

For a 15" it has a fairly low aspect ratio, and is great in the Fl. rain.

Hope this is helpful.

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Well, the tire was a bit out of round, plus it had 3 3/4 oz of balance weights. I had already gotten another tire, (Avon) so I had him mount it and balance it. 1 1/4 oz this time.
Cleaned out the stud and lug nut threads, and it was still a bitch to even get some of the lugs started. Separated the hubs and just tried to put the lug nuts into the holes of the wheel itself. Two fit perfect, but the other three wouldn't even go into the holes. So I guess last time they were more or less being forced into the holes by the wheel stud threads. I cleaned out the holes in the wheel just a touch so the nuts would just go in if helped a little. That worked. All's well that ends well! Hope to test her out in the next few days between raindrops. Where is SPRING!!!!!!
I just might try a car tire after I burn this one off! Thanks for the replies! :capwin:
 

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You will get good miles on a car tire and I agree, they really fit the looks of the bike. It is supposed to be a beast. The car tires will usually scallop and go bad before they "wear out naturally" This problem is from all the torque on them. This problem is easilly solved by occasionally burning them back into shape. Not to mention the theripudic value.
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