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Well for the most part--Just got off of the phone with Jim Calloway and it seems that along with a small leak in the pump seal the drive shaft is twisted! Just goes to show you that these thing are great for showing off and burning the tire but if you can get the 700hp and 690tq to the ground it will hurt your bike$(%^I^&!!!! I only ran that Nitto Drag Radial for about 400 miles and never launched from a dead stop!!! It sure is a pain to have one of these bikes that will hook-up!

I have seen a lot of Boss Hosses but none that would really hook up until I saw mine--Curtis the Owner of TBH has ridden hundreds of these and he even said mine was in another league because of the ability to put it to the ground (the tq at low rpm don’t suck either)! Just a note of for those of you in seek of the “Holy Grail of Speed” there are consequences!! :evil:
 

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Dave,

If you've ever seen Marv Jorgenson pull the front wheel of his off the ground you'd see "hook-up"........that's a 1000hp, short swing-arm and real sticky tire. Ask Wag, he watched him stand it upright in LaCrosse.

He does it a lot.


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Yep mine did that too! Not just me riding it but Curtis at TBH--been there done that! HP is not the key but TQ at the lower RPM's and that is how I had the engine built. I have heard about Marvs bikes (my stator in my transmission was a design that he tried last year)and have talked to him numerous times even bought some of my parts from him. The point is that these bikes when modified and made to hook up will have problems!!!

The Nitto hooked up by far the best(the tire that would wheelie at 45 mph roll on) but the death wobble thing scared me out of my wits. I weigh about 235 and let me tell you even with the front forks adjusted to full tension bottomed out so hard that I thought they were going to break a few times.

The bottom line is that it is fun but if ya wanna run with the big boys it's going to cost ya to keep it running.
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Hey Bussa

I have the starter boss hoss 350/385 and have put down about 200 ft of rubber . Total ,not at one time.
The go is relative to the know and the dough. I will lay odds my pants are as full as yours at the end of a run but if the front end ever lifted there would be no more rubber for me . Keep up the search for power so I can live vicariously through your experience. And for christ sake dont kill yourself reaching for the cup.

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Show not go???????

You're right. Those sons of bitches at Boss Hoss told me I would have a bike that actually gave me an adrenaline rush if I bought their 502hp model.

Hell, I guess I'll just go back to a Honda Rebel or something. It won't do a burnout like my Boss Hoss, but the acceleration is the same!?!?!?

Dave, come on now. Do we really have to have this conversation again? For the record, I'll review some of the points from my previous post that I sent to my good friend Joe Rameri.

Did you ACTUALLY EXPECT your Boss Hoss to be trouble free when you put a tire "with almost three times the contact area" and an engine with 700HP on the bike? Put 700HP into and slicks onto a Z06 Corvette and see if something breaks, then complain to GM.

I just don't get the thought process. How do you start a thread titled, "Our Bikes Are Made For Show Not Go!" when you know the **@#in bike will flatten your eyeballs? I've accelerated my bike so hard that I actually felt dizzy for a split second...and I have 28,000 miles on it with ZERO major problems. I'm not by any means alone either.

Do I sound upset? Do I take this personally? Is my resale value on the line (as if I'm ever going to part with my bike)? You bet your ass!!! Just be sure to be CRYSTAL CLEAR when you complain about the bikes here on a public forum, please. Are the bikes made for show? Yes. Are the bikes made for go? Yes. Are the bikes made for 700HP with extra wide, flat car tires and wheelies at 45 MPH? No. Did you expect them to be???

Don't sell the bikes short. They are DAMN fast, loud and impressive. I kind of like telling people about my awesome machine at every gas station I visit and hope to convert some of them over to these incredible machines. Just remember that some of them can and will stumble onto this forum in their quest for knowledge about these bikes.

Love ya' Dave. I just get a little fired up now and again. :D :D :D

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Hey Dave:

I feel your pain, and yet I still see the smile on your face. :)

A few of us have built these machines way beyond their intended
design. And as a result, we always spend tons of money trying to achieve
more power and hopefully realibility along the way.

It's difficult to keep a car together with 700hp much less a bike.

I think the Kaw and Busa boys with their built, turbocharged rice rockets,
split blocks, blow trannies and generally experience the high maintenance
also.

I for one really enjoy this aspect of owning a Boss Hoss, otherwise I guess
I would drive a Goldwing or something else.

Every time I have a problem, I cuss, jump up and down, whine, and then
look in the miror, and see the real problem.............ME...........heehee.

Then I get out my checkbook and enjoy the experience. :lol:

Geezer
Blown 502,32 Duce. 904 crank HP - C16 - 15lbs boost - dyno only.
773 crank HP - 93 Octane - 8lbs boost - street
 

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I know I have the Single Speed tranny in mine but all things considered it has not given me alot of grief either. I have a 150 HP progressive NOS system and am running the 15 - 235 car tire on the back. Although I do not use the NOS all the time I have "played" on many occassions. (It keeps the choloresterol down). It has been used as an every day vehicle with 500 mile + days in the rain (those suck), temps over 100 degrees and as low as 0 degrees (Barry these are in Farenheit) and a number of Iron Butt rides. The longest was this fall as a 50 CC run (Coast to Coast in under 50 Hours). That one put on 2827 miles in under 48 hours holding mostly in the 70 - 75 mph range. That is a fair amount of continuous duty on the tranny and rest of it. Not many breaks there. That 12 day trip added almost 8 K to the odometer and now I am pushing over 111,000 on it. I have had a few problems but overall not that bad compared to any other bike I have had and I have done harder traveling with it than most of my others.
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Geezer said:
Hey Dave:

I feel your pain, and yet I still see the smile on your face. :)

A few of us have built these machines way beyond their intended
design. And as a result, we always spend tons of money trying to achieve
more power and hopefully realibility along the way.

It's difficult to keep a car together with 700hp much less a bike.

I think the Kaw and Busa boys with their built, turbocharged rice rockets,
split blocks, blow trannies and generally experience the high maintenance
also.

I for one really enjoy this aspect of owning a Boss Hoss, otherwise I guess
I would drive a Goldwing or something else.

Every time I have a problem, I cuss, jump up and down, whine, and then
look in the miror, and see the real problem.............ME...........heehee.

Then I get out my checkbook and enjoy the experience. :lol:

Geezer
Blown 502,32 Duce. 904 crank HP - C16 - 15lbs boost - dyno only.
773 crank HP - 93 Octane - 8lbs boost - street
Yep--pretty much the way I look at it but when you have over 75k in something you can always hope that it will work with the modifications that are ALWAYS required!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 

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Dave:

Just a thought, but could a heat treat shop harden those gears and output
shafts for more load??
:?: :?: :?:
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Dave,
Although Bill Taylor let me have it good here for inferring the Boss tranny would not handle a 572 motor, I have to agree with him here. I can't think of a car tranny that could handle a 700 HP motor with sticky tires. I think asking for a tranny that can handle the stock motor and even somewhat beyond is reasonable but 700 HP and a really grabbing tire is just a bit much to ask unless you have Coan or another drag tranny company fabricates you one for $8-10K or more. You are expecting a full drag setup for $40K. Ask anyone who has built machines that can handle what you are expecting and the costs involved. Maybe you should stay with the "rice rocket" scene to get your rocks off but I also, like Bill, tend to resent your implications that the Boss is "no go".
"All show and no go" is bull****. These beasts move and just because the Boss can't reach your ridiculous expectations is no reason to bash the bike...My two cents..Joe
 

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Dave,
Although Bill Taylor let me have it good here for inferring the Boss tranny would not handle a 572 motor, I have to agree with him here. I can't think of a car tranny that could handle a 700 HP motor with sticky tires. I think asking for a tranny that can handle the stock motor and even somewhat beyond is reasonable but 700 HP and a really grabbing tire is just a bit much to ask unless you have Coan or another drag tranny company fabricates you one for $8-10K or more. You are expecting a full drag setup for $40K. Ask anyone who has built machines that can handle what you are expecting and the costs involved. Maybe you should stay with the "rice rocket" scene to get your rocks off but I also, like Bill, tend to resent your implications that the Boss is "no go".
"All show and no go" is bull****. These beasts move and just because the Boss can't reach your ridiculous expectations is no reason to bash the bike...My two cents..Joe
Ok my friend let me tell you how the cow ate the cabbage----if you were to come up to me on my modified (no turbo or motor work) Busa--I would eat up any Boss Hoss that is even close to stock! Put all of the NOS you want but it will not hook up! Been there done that! That being said you are spewing with emotion not fact--what I stated was a fact please re-read the post! Now give me facts please. The cold hard reality is that mine is a real beast (I am getting the twisted drive shaft back which was the only thing that was replaced everything else looked good even the clutches) and yes it has been put on the edge. No disrespect but the majority of BH owners just like to spin the tire and sound good not necessarily go fast! I like to do all of them not just look the part. Sorry but maybe you are not one of the performance minded BH owners.

Also another error in your reply is specific to HP---HP has nothing to do with the tranny being damaged by itself---it is where the HP and TQ come together and if that power is being successfully being applied to the tire and then transferred in such a manner that the bike is propelled faster rather than the tire spinning! If this was all there was to make a BH run faster then anyone could do it. I see guys with the HP numbers painted on their bikes with the NOS system showing with the stock tire and drive train thinking it is fast when in reality it is not because smoking the tire does not translate into a fast bike---it’s the one that does not smoke the tire that you watch out for!

You need to bring you bike down here and we will have a little friendly run. :D
 

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My daddie is bigger n your daddie. My house is bigger. etc

So what I say! THere will ALWAYS ALWAYS be someone or something bigger , faster, badder in some way manner shape or form than you be it a bike or somekind of accomplishment. So what! Who do ya wann be when you grow up? John Wayne? Na, I wanna be me. Who do you look up to as your hero? My answer is ME. I don't look to any one or any bike to aspire to just to be the best, fastest etc. I enjoy my BH even knowing that there are faster bikes out there. BIG DEAL. I don't care. You like Busas or Hardleys then so be it. I for one love my BH and the only change I will do is the Nesco #7. Being # 1 is tough, elusive and causes all kinds of stress.. I don't care how many Busas or Hardleys go to a bike event cause guess which bike gets the most looks? You guessed it- the BH. THere is a certain amount of self empowerment one gets when on the BH. It is a "feel good" win win situation with the BH.
And remember the key word "Perception". Most conclusions are based upon perception and not actual performance whether in bikes or daily life. The mass of society deal with perception which leads to dissolusionment. Screw it all. Enjoy the BH no matter what. No one can rain on my parade! I love the BH!
(damn long rant eh? hahahaha)
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Boss Hoss Fast

Mr. Bussa,

You are very right about going faster. Getting the tire to hook-up IS the answer. But why hook it up. Any grandmother can turn the handle and go fast if its hooked and going straight. :lol: The FUN for "ME" is the burning rubber and sliding it all crossed up sideways. 8) Yee haaaa!!!! Thats were its at for me.

When I want to go fast I point the airplane virtical at the ground and pull up low to the dirt. Then go back up virtical and tumble it end over end just for fun. :shock: That gets me off pretty good.

But for those days when thats not enough fun I jump out at 14,000 feet and play games in the sky. Go head down at over 200mph with just a rag on my back for brakes. :) Last weekend we tossed a Q-Ball between us at 120mph just for something to do.

Someone is always faster, so just ride and enjoy the Boss for what it is.

Apprx. 40K trouble free miles.

PS, If you stand on the seat when you burnout, it will seem like your going faster. Hehehehe! :D

This pic was at about 65mph, but note the tire is "hooked up". :roll:
 

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My Boss is made to go, I guess it's all in what you like to do. Cruiser to cruiser I think the stock 350 will spank everything out there. I had a Supercharged Valk and I know for a fact my Boss will spank it.

If you want to compare it to a Busa then you're on the wrong page to start with, if you want to compare it to a Rocket 3 then maybe you're talking the same class of bikes.

I love my Boss and I don't think there is a bike "Cruiser" out there that will float my boat now that I have a Boss.

 

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Well said Milos. There is not another production machine in the world that has the wow factor the boss enjoys. That`s why I ride one..... Sure there are a couple of other v8 bikes out there, but the most well known is the boss. When I had my Kannon, I was asked all the time if it was a boss. Usually by some onlooker with their jaw dropped in amazement of the very idea of a bike with a "car" engine. Anyone here ever see that kind of reaction to a rice rocket at the gas pump? You wanna go that fast.... better save it for the track or sooner or later you`ll pay. If your going to play at the track.... you can throw away your street set up. my two cents.
 

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I agree with CR, the ultimate for me is getting a 500' burnout completed without getting spanked (haven't got there yet, always seem to come up 5' to 8' short before I run out of room). I will admit to going into a car tire for a bit more traction, but more for looks and stability. So far I have not found one stock rice rocket that has pounded me.....or any modified HD......I'm positive there is one out there. I have spent 43 years riding fast **** and have never had the heart pounding thrilll that I get EVERYTIME I start my Boss. I spanked a couple of rice rockets, and had lots of witnesses while doing it, it does take throttle management and technique, but it can be done. You can get the power to the ground, but it requires more finese than just turning the screw.

Owning & riding a Boss is really an ego trip pure & simple. I still say it is the ultimate bar bike, we ride with a lot of $50M to $75M v-twins, and when we park next to them, we take the crowd.

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Dave...I certainly take nothing you say PERSONALLY. This is a MACHINE and you are not denegrating my family, religion, politics, my overweight condition or anything else personal. Yes, there are faster bikes out there and, believe me, I have no ego to defend here but all I'm saying is that your expectations are way too high with the amount of torque your motor makes in relation to what the Boss tranny (shaft or otherwise) was made to handle with a really sticky tire.
The fact that a Busa can spank a Boss is a given as far as I'm concerned but that doesn't translate to "no go" just not enough go for YOU. So be it; but what I was getting at in my post is that I consider the Boss to be very fast...not the fastest. Cracking the Boss open with my small block stroker takes my breath away while you and Tom Breedlove would probably yawn. Take no offense, I understand your point but the Boss has sufficient "go" for most of us and is not simply all show...Joe
 

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VERY true Joe..... Not to mention, the long smokey burn outs are BLAST!!
 
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