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Hey Grumpy,
Thanks for the input!
So, what's the hot and cold of this tire? What makes it the way to go? Is it the performance? Will it take me to 145+ mph? Does it come in 16"? I have an 04 and my wheel is 16". No change on that.. How bout the mileage?
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Michelin Commander is a great tire, I ran one for several miles on my last Boss, But I changed my original Avon out last summer with a Metzeler Marathon 880, and I LOVE it! The tread pattern is awesome, the rain grip is excellent, and the mileage seems better (to me) than the other tires I have tried. I have over 4000 miles on this Metzeler, including a 2200 mile trip last month to the Keys, and the tread looks almost brand new still, and several bursts of 140-145 mph during this time. I have never felt any handling problems with it, and it balanced out easily also. I highly recommend the Metzeler. Maybe someone else here has tried the 880 also? :D I truly believe I should get 12,000 - 15,000 miles out of this tire (maybe more the way it looks). The most I could ever get from the Avon Venom was 7,000-9,500 miles. I have no cupping indications as of yet at all, and I run a consistent 49PSI pressure, checked weekly.
 

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That's what I'm running too. Mine is a rear tire.

EastnMike said:
Michelin Commander is a great tire, I ran one for several miles on my last Boss, But I changed my original Avon out last summer with a Metzeler Marathon 880, and I LOVE it! The tread pattern is awesome, the rain grip is excellent, and the mileage seems better (to me) than the other tires I have tried. I have over 4000 miles on this Metzeler, including a 2200 mile trip last month to the Keys, and the tread looks almost brand new still, and several bursts of 140-145 mph during this time. I have never felt any handling problems with it, and it balanced out easily also. I highly recommend the Metzeler. Maybe someone else here has tried the 880 also? :D I truly believe I should get 12,000 - 15,000 miles out of this tire (maybe more the way it looks). The most I could ever get from the Avon Venom was 7,000-9,500 miles. I have no cupping indications as of yet at all, and I run a consistent 49PSI pressure, checked weekly.
 

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Jim,

Sorry about that......16" front for the stock size. I ran a Commander for about 4000 miles and replaced it when I went to 18" wheels. Wag has now run that tire a bunch of miles and last time I looked at it, it looked great. Both Wag & I thought it was a better handling tire, much easier to balance and made the bike feel better up front. I ran it over 150 and I'm pretty sure Wag has a few times.

Metzlers Marathon is what I have on the front now (18" low profile) and I like the tire a bunch. I have not tried this tire in a 16" version though. I have about 5000miles on it and it shows very minimal wear.

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I have to disagree with Busa Dave on something. There are definitely V rated tires available for the front. Just look at any MC catalog. http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_c ... GIJJBSI7S4
Also...I warn anyone against going faster than the speed rating of the tire. I've posted this before but several years ago I had my 104 rear wheel HP Harley stroker on a dyno and the asshole running it took it up to 160 mph at which time the Conti H rated rear tire I was running disintegrated completely in front of my eyes. I had admonished him not to exceed 5000 rpm but he just let it loose to well over 6000 with my 6 speed trans. The tread ballooned out and began to fly away from the carcass in pieces.
The tire had a few hundred miles on it.
I became a believer in speed ratings at that point. Most people understand these ratings as theoretical but I saw what they mean with these two eyes.
The higher speed rated tires are stiffer, have thinner treads for greater heat dissipation and are much less comfortable to ride but if you are in the groove of doing 145 or so, I wouldn't even consider an H rated tire....Joe
 

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I have to disagree with Busa Dave on something. There are definitely V rated tires available for the front. Just look at any MC catalog.
Also...I warn anyone against going faster than the speed rating of the tire. I've posted this before but several years ago I had my 104 rear wheel HP Harley stroker on a dyno and the asshole running it took it up to 160 mph at which time the Conti H rated rear tire I was running disintegrated completely in front of my eyes. I had admonished him not to exceed 5000 rpm but he just let it loose to well over 6000 with my 6 speed trans. The tread ballooned out and began to fly away from the carcass in pieces.
The tire had a few hundred miles on it.
I became a believer in speed ratings at that point. Most people understand these ratings as theoretical but I saw what they mean with these two eyes.
The higher speed rated tires are stiffer, have thinner treads for greater heat dissipation and are much less comfortable to ride but if you are in the groove of doing 145 or so, I wouldn't even consider an H rated tire....Joe
For the stock wheel the only size that is rated for the weight is a "cruiser type" tire. I have had many front y speed rated tires for my Hayabusa, Ducati and Bandit in the past but unfortunately, they are not the right size--just look in any motorcycle catalog. If they made it I would have it you can be assured of that because I do not like running the non y speed rated tires. I have talked with the several people in the tire industry about this (I have worked on several tire development contracts for different aircraft and know a few people at Goodyear (who owns Dunlop) and Michelin as well as the design engineers here) and the answer is simple= not enough demand period to justify the development costs. Also our bikes were not made to go over 130 and be safe or the correct tire would have been developed by BH and put on it.

I have been over 195 (215 indicated) for several miles at a time more times than I can remember on my Busa and it was smooth as silk (Duc would top out at 165) because it was designed to do that---my BH scares the crap out of me at 147 when the shift light comes on. The good part about the BH is it gets there quick now that I have modified it and the sound is without peer!!! :D
 

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I went to the Dennis Kirk site for the tires and then calle for their input as well. I spoke with Steve. when it all came down to the bike and it's weight, he chose the Avon that came with the bike. He couldn't come up with a tire that was any better than another over all. Some were smoother and some were harder compounds. Some wore out in less time than others. All in all, I ride typically 22-25k miles anually. Would like to occassionaly ask the BH to get me to 130-150 along with an extra pair of shorts. My brother Tony (BH owner) and I ride and were in Laughlin this past week end. Enroute however, we did open up the speed factor for play and I would very much like to know that my tire will perform successfully so that I could ride more and live to talk about it.
The tire I have is the Avon (MT90B16 74H).
 

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Gemtlemen,
A couple of weeks ago, I had installed a new front tire. It's a Dunlop D402 MT90-16. It is rated at 130 MPH at 778 lbs max. Tire cost me $141.00 including spin balancing.
Here's the link. I could not find a higher speed rating for this tire.
http://www.americanmototire.com/index.h ... t=d48.html
They do make a front tire with a MAX laod capacity of 908 lbs.
 

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About 1000 miles ago I installed a MICHELIN COMMANDER 140/90-16 rear tire on the front of my Boss in reverse rotation . It also is rated for 130 MPH and has a weight rating higher than the Michelin 130/90-16 front tire . So far it rides and handles great with 49 lbs. of air . When I had it spin balanced it only took 1/4 oz. of weight to balance perfect . Nice tire .

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Found something interesting, thought I would share:
All tire ratings per ISO are at 40 degrees Centagrade, at rated PSI. Degrading the PSI also derates the tire by 15%
Additionally the Adhesion/peel/ aging test gave a life expencancy of the true rating of a tire for 3-4 years.

It’s equally important to pay attention to the speed rating of your tires, as it holds some very pertinent information about the overall performance of your wheels.

The International Standards Organization (ISO) utilizes a load/speed index code, which allows you to determine the correct size of tire you should purchase.

For instance, a tire speed rating will inform you about the weight or load amount a particular set of tires can hold at high speeds.

Here’s a look at the grade ratings that are used to indicate the top speed a tire can safely operate at:


M – up to 81 mph (130 kph)
N – up to 87 mph (140 kph)
P – up to 93 mph (150 kph)
Q – up to 99 mph (160 kph)
R – up to 106 mph (170 kph)
S – up to 112 mph (180 kph)
T – up to 118 mph (190 kph)
U – up to 124 mph (200 kph)
H – up to 130 mph (210 kph)
V – up to 149 mph (240 kph)
Z – speeds above 149mph (240 kph)
The Z rating turned out to be to vague, and so two more ratings were added:

W – up to 168 mph (270 kph)
Y – up to 186 mph (300 kph)

The load/speed index code will usually appear after the size marking on a tire, compromised by two numbers and a letter.

For instance, 67H is an example of a load/speed index code.

The numbers on this code refer to the maximum load carrying capacity of your tires. The letter that is used in conjunction refers to the speed rating, or maximum speed your tire can endure under load and inflation pressure.
 
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