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NOt sure but someone told me the bead on the stock rim is different and would not work for the car tire. You might check with the factory.
NOt sure but someone told me the bead on the stock rim is different and would not work for the car tire. You might check with the factory.
Ed is correct. On the later model 15" wheels, any 15" car tire will work and there's no mounting, bead or wear problem. Same with the 18" rims Marv sold. You can mount an 18" car tire on them. You cannot however mount a m/c tire to a car rim.
IMHO, you guys better be careful of what you wish for with the car tires. I've used everything from a 285x18 Sumitomo to a Mickey Thompson, and various others and they all suck bigtime when it comes to the handling aspects. They look good and hook-up better but the curves and different pavement situations really compromise your handling.
I am also done (and disgusted) with my 2nd 280 Metzler on an 18" wheel I got from Marv @ Chopper City. They wear terrible and have too small a contact patch with the inadequate width of that wheel. Unless you're planning to either widen that wheel or find something at least 2 inches wider, you're going to be REAL disappointed. Both of mine on the bigblock have gone to hell in a heartbeat. It also looks like crap with the sidewalls having to pull that far in to find the wheel. I noticed in Daytona that Steve of Milwaukee Boss Hoss had a very wide (possibly 10 1/2" ?) wheel with the 280 and it looked as it should. Great improvement.
Elliot
IMHO, you guys better be careful of what you wish for with the car tires. I've used everything from a 285x18 Sumitomo to a Mickey Thompson, and various others and they all suck bigtime when it comes to the handling aspects. They look good and hook-up better but the curves and different pavement situations really compromise your handling.
I am also done (and disgusted) with my 2nd 280 Metzler on an 18" wheel I got from Marv @ Chopper City. They wear terrible and have too small a contact patch with the inadequate width of that wheel. Unless you're planning to either widen that wheel or find something at least 2 inches wider, you're going to be REAL disappointed. Both of mine on the bigblock have gone to hell in a heartbeat. It also looks like crap with the sidewalls having to pull that far in to find the wheel. I noticed in Daytona that Steve of Milwaukee Boss Hoss had a very wide (possibly 10 1/2" ?) wheel with the 280 and it looked as it should. Great improvement.
Elliot
Hey Don,
That new convertor making you greedy now???
Never ridden a Boss with a car tire, but in the "old" days, my drag bikes with slicks handled like crap. You have to 'pull' the bike up on the inside face in corners and they 'hunt' pretty bad when you get into road wear ruts......I can't compare these 280's, 'cause I have not ridden mine since I put it on the bike 'Course I haven't had the chance to try the convertor or the 'juice' yet either......damned winter sucks :twisted:
Elliot, did your 280's wear worse than you old Avon 230's?? When I talked to Marv a couple of months ago, he said he was / or was going to be building wider rims for these tires. Have not talked to him since, but if he is and they fit the centers of these current wheels, it might be worth just investing in the rim section and using the centers???
I would imagine he'll be back in town this week, so I'll stop and ask one evening.
Tim
That new convertor making you greedy now???
Never ridden a Boss with a car tire, but in the "old" days, my drag bikes with slicks handled like crap. You have to 'pull' the bike up on the inside face in corners and they 'hunt' pretty bad when you get into road wear ruts......I can't compare these 280's, 'cause I have not ridden mine since I put it on the bike 'Course I haven't had the chance to try the convertor or the 'juice' yet either......damned winter sucks :twisted: Elliot, did your 280's wear worse than you old Avon 230's?? When I talked to Marv a couple of months ago, he said he was / or was going to be building wider rims for these tires. Have not talked to him since, but if he is and they fit the centers of these current wheels, it might be worth just investing in the rim section and using the centers???
I would imagine he'll be back in town this week, so I'll stop and ask one evening.
Tim
Tim, the short answer is "yes". Wearing much worse than the 230.
The long version is that both my 280's are exhibiting the same type wear. It almost looks like the center section is flattening or the belts are coming loose. When I took a good look at how the tire was shaped on the Milwaukee Boss Hoss wheel vs mine it was apparent why. The sidewalls are being pulled inward so dramatically it's mis-shaping the entire tire. The tire looks huge on a bigger wheel compared to the Chopper City wheel. it is totally taken away from the integrity of the sidewall as well. I'm suprised they've been willing to sell any that way considering what a ****ty setup it is.
No disrespect to Chopper City Tim, but asking them what they think about this issue is probably going to result in a "it's just fine" answer which in this particular scenario is bull crap. As you will note, I'm very disappointed in them selling me this setup. Being a new product and a few thousand miles away, I was relying on their good advise to a regular customer superceding the couple bucks made on the deal.
Elliot
The long version is that both my 280's are exhibiting the same type wear. It almost looks like the center section is flattening or the belts are coming loose. When I took a good look at how the tire was shaped on the Milwaukee Boss Hoss wheel vs mine it was apparent why. The sidewalls are being pulled inward so dramatically it's mis-shaping the entire tire. The tire looks huge on a bigger wheel compared to the Chopper City wheel. it is totally taken away from the integrity of the sidewall as well. I'm suprised they've been willing to sell any that way considering what a ****ty setup it is.
No disrespect to Chopper City Tim, but asking them what they think about this issue is probably going to result in a "it's just fine" answer which in this particular scenario is bull crap. As you will note, I'm very disappointed in them selling me this setup. Being a new product and a few thousand miles away, I was relying on their good advise to a regular customer superceding the couple bucks made on the deal.
Elliot
Elliot,
I agree. I'm going to stop and see Marv to find out if he is, in fact, building that new wheel yet. I'd rather pay the price to get a wider rim up front as well.
If he's not building it, I would think his guy in the Cities can widen this rim for a price. I think Marv told me the one I have is 9 1/2......have you measured yours??
I'll let you know what he says.
Tim
I agree. I'm going to stop and see Marv to find out if he is, in fact, building that new wheel yet. I'd rather pay the price to get a wider rim up front as well.
If he's not building it, I would think his guy in the Cities can widen this rim for a price. I think Marv told me the one I have is 9 1/2......have you measured yours??
I'll let you know what he says.
Tim
Thanks for the info guys!
Tim......no, not getting greedy. A friend of mine with a Boss has four good 15" tires, and was wondering if he could use them. He was with me in Daytona, and after riding mine, was so impressed with the new converter, he ordered one yesterday! He's thinking, after watching me smoke em', he should mount the car tires he has instead of burning up the Avon. I think he was going to see if he could score another stock wheel and then be able to switch on and off with the car tire.
I have ridden a Boss with a car tire, and found I really had to force it to corner! Not for me!
Anyway, thanks again for the info, and I hope you get a chance to get out soon, and try your new converter and Juice!. Later..........Don B:biker3:
Tim......no, not getting greedy. A friend of mine with a Boss has four good 15" tires, and was wondering if he could use them. He was with me in Daytona, and after riding mine, was so impressed with the new converter, he ordered one yesterday! He's thinking, after watching me smoke em', he should mount the car tires he has instead of burning up the Avon. I think he was going to see if he could score another stock wheel and then be able to switch on and off with the car tire.
I have ridden a Boss with a car tire, and found I really had to force it to corner! Not for me!
Anyway, thanks again for the info, and I hope you get a chance to get out soon, and try your new converter and Juice!. Later..........Don B:biker3:
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Love my car tire and wouldn't go back if they gave me free Avons. I like the look of the car tire, I like the smoke of the car tire and to me it handles just as well as an Avon if you get the right tire and tire pressure. I'm talking 15" not 18". I love it when people say "That's a car tire on that thing" To each it's own. Oh by the way my tires are 65 bucks too so I don't feel bad about burning them up.
To each it's own. Oh by the way my tires are 65 bucks too so I don't feel bad about burning them up.
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Elliot is right about the Metzeler 280. Look at the right setup at: http://www.goldwing-parts.de Go to the "umbau v-rod 280". These rims are made in Germany at http://www.ricks-motorcycles.com Look at "Franks v-rod 280". The rims are 10,5 wide and Rick can do up to 12,5. They are working on a rim that will fit the Boss Hoss and it will be ready in the next few weeks.
Peter
Peter
Peter, now THOSE are wheels! Up to 12 1/5"...awesome!
In the meantime, I would suggest anyone wanting one immediately and needing to know about spacer placement, hub, etc, should talk direct to Steve at Milwaukee Boss Hoss. He's got the wheels and the answers.
Elliot
In the meantime, I would suggest anyone wanting one immediately and needing to know about spacer placement, hub, etc, should talk direct to Steve at Milwaukee Boss Hoss. He's got the wheels and the answers.
Elliot
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Right now I'm running a 225 but when this one is gone I will go to a 235.GRUMPY said:
Car Tires
I bought my first Hoss in 97 at Sturgis from Tom of Mountain fame. The bike was a sweet V-6, one of about ten the factory made before going with the ZZ4. This bike had a car tire and handled well for 27k miles before I sold it and bought my 2001 V8 small block. The trick to cornering is to underinflate the tire by 5psi or so...sidewall gives on turns. I've got 7k on my Avon 220 and I'll admit it handles a little better on the twisties, but I hate the whine (1000lb. bee I remember someone saying) and will go back to a car tire as soon as it warms up in Columbus Ohio. We also have a place in Ft. Myers Beach and look forward to hooking up with the gang that must terrorize Naples to Punta Gorda.
I bought my first Hoss in 97 at Sturgis from Tom of Mountain fame. The bike was a sweet V-6, one of about ten the factory made before going with the ZZ4. This bike had a car tire and handled well for 27k miles before I sold it and bought my 2001 V8 small block. The trick to cornering is to underinflate the tire by 5psi or so...sidewall gives on turns. I've got 7k on my Avon 220 and I'll admit it handles a little better on the twisties, but I hate the whine (1000lb. bee I remember someone saying) and will go back to a car tire as soon as it warms up in Columbus Ohio. We also have a place in Ft. Myers Beach and look forward to hooking up with the gang that must terrorize Naples to Punta Gorda.
TimGRUMPY said:
Since Don's buddy is not able to use the wheel you have - I may be interested. Is it just the wheel or complete set-up you are selling (hub and all)? I am considering picking up a complete setup for easy swapping ... I would prefer to burn up an $80 tire then a $300 when I know I'll be doing more burnouts then riding (Daytona, Laconia etc ... )
BTW you are going to love that new converter - hope you get to "test" it soon!
Explanation needed...
I rushed that message people....it is a 230 Avon. Also, in case anyone doubts my sanity on the underinflation advice, remember that those tires are designed for much heavier loads than we give them. That V6 saw 140mph several times...I heard the 150mph+ shimmy stories and decided not to try to disprove the theory. Before I retire from E-mail once again, are there any other Vietnam Vets on this site??
I rushed that message people....it is a 230 Avon. Also, in case anyone doubts my sanity on the underinflation advice, remember that those tires are designed for much heavier loads than we give them. That V6 saw 140mph several times...I heard the 150mph+ shimmy stories and decided not to try to disprove the theory. Before I retire from E-mail once again, are there any other Vietnam Vets on this site??
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