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I have a question for you guys , especially us northeastern guys. The antifreeze people say the best mixture for antifreeze to water is 50-50. My 2000 ZZ4 manual says the coolant capacity is 12 qts so 50-50 would be 6 qts. water and 6qts. antifreeze . Accordind to the antifreeze bottle that mixture gives me protection from freezeing down to -34 degrees which is about what my cooling system checks right now . My question is , is that what most of you guys run year round , 50-50 mixture ? I know here in central N.Y. , we need protection to at least -25 degrees in the winter .
 

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Jack - In every vehicle I have ever owned I always use approx. 75 to 25 percent mixture. 75 being the antifreeze. I like the added protection and it has never run any hotter in the summer using that combo. NJ gets plenty cold also and Hot on the other side. It's like taking ADVIL, my doctor once told me to take 4 to 5 ADVIL every 6 hours. I said but Doc the bottle says only take 2 at a time. He said yeah because if it said take 4 people would take 8. There is always a safety factor built in on comsumer products. I have even ran a much higher percent of antifreeze with absolutely never a problem. I'm sure you have the purists that will measure the oz. Watch the way they put it in at the dealership and you'll see. Isn't any precise measuring going on there.
 

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Jack, Jack, Jack;

If you would follow your brides advice and buy that big place in the country...complete with an insulated, in-floor heated shop (excellent negotiating tool for you)...........you wouldn't need anti freeze :lol: Your scoot would be in heated 60 degree weather all winter long.

See, she has the right ideas to make your life sooo much easier 8) :lol:
It' time for you to go out and dig up one of those milk cans in the back yard :wink:

Tim
 

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According to most manufactures of Anti-freeze a 50-50 is as good as it gets. Any higher of anti-freeze you will loose cooling ability in the summer plus you get only so low of protection with the mixture and if you keep using more anti-freeze you start back up.

A 50 - 50 mix of propylene glycol and water cools better than the same concentration of ethylene glycol and water.

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Thanks guys for your input on the antifreeze. I guess I'll leave it alone because like I said it tests for about -35 degrees which works out to about 50 - 50 mix.

And Tim, If I had a couple of milk cans buried in the back yard I'd have a full time heated garage . Us retired guys can only afford to heat the garage when we are going to work out there . My broker already has my milk cans so you working stiffs better start producing and keep that stock market climbing . HA HA
 

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Jack,

Cripes, I wish I had enough money to need a broker.....the only broker I know is the one I get everytime I spend a buck (spend a buck - get broker) :)

Build a 70X150 2 story pole building and put a house inside the front 50'. That gives you 7000 sq ft of living space & 7000 sq ft of 'toy box'..........
walk out on your upper level deck in your boxers (jockeys) with a cup of coffee, scratch your balls and survey your "kingdom" every morning......ahhhh, the good life. No outside upkeep, and when you have a "garage" party, ya just hose it down............in floor heat, soloar collectors to supplement the heat system..........????

Shoot, with me around who needs a broker??? I could spend your cash in a heartbeat..........

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If it wasn't for my bride wanting a sunday go to meeting regular type live in house , that is exactly what I would build . Only I don't want or need 7000 sq. ft. of living space. 2000 sq. ft. would do us just fine . That would give me 12,000 sq.ft . of garage for toys and partying space . Ya , I like that . Well anyway my lake front house is going on the market May 1st , so we will see what happens.
 

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Great minds think alike. I have been investigating the possibility of purchasing and erecting a large steel building. I envision putting our living quarters (home) under the same roof using a portion of the second story. This should achieve my goals of minimum maintenance, lots of room for toys and my workshop as well as provide our home and a garage for our daily drivers.

There is something really appealing to me about having everything under one, steel, gable roof.

I am doing due diligence on building codes, insurance, building cost, etc., etc.

I was so happy to see your email, proving I am not the only one with this vision. In fact, I wonder how big the market is for this type of hybrid structure?
 

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Thanks guys for your input on the antifreeze. I guess I'll leave it alone because like I said it tests for about -35 degrees which works out to about 50 - 50 mix.

And Tim, If I had a couple of milk cans buried in the back yard I'd have a full time heated garage . Us retired guys can only afford to heat the garage when we are going to work out there . My broker already has my milk cans so you working stiffs better start producing and keep that stock market climbing . HA HA

Jack
You need to change the anti-freeze every 3rd or 4th year because if you don't the freeze plugs can rust up and start leaking. I know cause I have been there and done that.

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Jack,
According to the radiator shop they told me due to the Alu. radiator the fluid should be changed every year. The ph changes and will make the radiator "rot -out" I am planning to try to change mine more. Maybe once every 2 years. You could always check with litmus paper.
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Boy that is scary how we have all contemplated the same thing. I have been trying to convince my wife that we could buy some acreage and build an oversized 4 or 5 car garage and finish the upstairs.


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A guy up the road from me just built or had built a auto repair shop similar to what we are talking about . The metal building looks to be about 60' wide x about 200' long. The front 40' of the building appears to be office space and the rear and the rear of the building has about 8 large overhead doors on each side of the building for his repair buisness . Whats realy nice about the building is the outside front of the building looks nice enough to be a house with nice windows , doors and the lanscapeing is really nice also . The building is also tall enough to have a second story but I've never seen the inside . I've seen other buildings similar to this and I'm sure you have too , but I'd love to have something like this . Now if only I could afford it and convince Cheryl that it's what we need. HA HA
 

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Guys,

Actually we have been researching this for about 5 years......have looked at several that have done it, and it is really slick. The shop I'm in now is
70' X 120' and the front 30' is two story (we have 18' sidewalls throughout)
with the front divided into office on the main floor and the second floor unfinished.

I've had this idea for years......you can create a living space of almost any configuration, lofted, vaulted, two story.........and the uild cost for the structure is actually less than conventional housing.

Our problem here, is the price of property and the restrictions for how much land is needed, a lot of our counties require large acerages for building...........at $5M+ and acre for farm land, it gets pricey :)

Tim
 
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