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Has anyone stuffed the recent 572 chevrolet crate motor into a bike yet?
http://www.sallee-chevrolet.com/ChevyBigBlockV8s/572.html
http://www.sallee-chevrolet.com/ChevyBigBlockV8s/572.html
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My understanding is that the motor is much too tall and that the entire frame would have to be re-done. What about the weight issue? The fun factor and oooohs and aaahs would be a real trip, however.
Is the block aluminum or iron?
What is the HP and torque rating?......Joe
Is the block aluminum or iron?
What is the HP and torque rating?......Joe
Joe,
I don't think a 1000HP engine would be any harder on the trans than the 502. The Avon 230 rear tire's traction ability is the limiting factor by design. Put on a square-profile racing slick tire and you're right, the tranny couldn't handle it, but Boss Hoss designed their transmission to withstand the 502's torque coupled with the 230 tire's traction limitations. Period.
I think the factory has done a good job of engineering their bikes to withstand the abuse that many of us guys dish out.
Actually Joe, I'm kind of tired of hearing you gripe about the transmissions. You made a comment on one of the forum's recently that you might lose control if you down-shifted into 1st gear at 50-70 MPH. It is my understanding that this is precicely what we are supposed to be doing and I do it all the time. I have been told not to put a heavy strain on 2nd gear and I don't. I can take 1st gear up to 120+ MPH which is quite a rush and plenty fast for me. Sure, I would like to be able to blast into 2nd gear full throttle, but our overdrive transmission just wasn't designed for that. So, of the guys that have had tranny issues, how many are willing to admit that they used reverse to back their bikes up hills, ran in 2nd gear at low speeds and shifted hard into 2nd gear?
Boss Hoss has built us all great machines that, I for one, am quite proud of. Just follow their few guidelines and you will reduce the likelyhood of having any problems. Just ask Crazy Rick!!!!
I know you're not going to take a liking to what I've written here, but really Joe, you have made your point already on every forum we have.
Bill Taylor
I don't think a 1000HP engine would be any harder on the trans than the 502. The Avon 230 rear tire's traction ability is the limiting factor by design. Put on a square-profile racing slick tire and you're right, the tranny couldn't handle it, but Boss Hoss designed their transmission to withstand the 502's torque coupled with the 230 tire's traction limitations. Period.
I think the factory has done a good job of engineering their bikes to withstand the abuse that many of us guys dish out.
Actually Joe, I'm kind of tired of hearing you gripe about the transmissions. You made a comment on one of the forum's recently that you might lose control if you down-shifted into 1st gear at 50-70 MPH. It is my understanding that this is precicely what we are supposed to be doing and I do it all the time. I have been told not to put a heavy strain on 2nd gear and I don't. I can take 1st gear up to 120+ MPH which is quite a rush and plenty fast for me. Sure, I would like to be able to blast into 2nd gear full throttle, but our overdrive transmission just wasn't designed for that. So, of the guys that have had tranny issues, how many are willing to admit that they used reverse to back their bikes up hills, ran in 2nd gear at low speeds and shifted hard into 2nd gear?
Boss Hoss has built us all great machines that, I for one, am quite proud of. Just follow their few guidelines and you will reduce the likelyhood of having any problems. Just ask Crazy Rick!!!!
I know you're not going to take a liking to what I've written here, but really Joe, you have made your point already on every forum we have.
Bill Taylor
Bill, I treat my tranny just about the way you treat yours and have 35,000 miles on it . Tons of burnouts , 120 in 1st gear etc. Some say I must be riding it like a ***** because I haven't blown it yet . Keep it cool , clean and don't pound the **** out of it and it should last .
Jack
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Well, I guess it is my turn. After I got the chicken**** convertor out and replaced it with a Coan, sent a tranny back to be rebuilt and updated by Nesco, that had not been misused and had not even 1 burnout on it I can at least ride with little comfort. The reverse hasn't worked correctly from day one. Even after the upgrade, I do not feel comfortable using it unless I am at home. I replaced the linkage because of it hanging in neutral, but the problem still reoccurs from time to time. I still love the Boss for what it is, but it is a hell of way from what some of you say it is. It has come a long way and will continue being improved upon. If you buy a 40 thousand or 50 thousand dollar vehicle they have updates from time to time. Can you name me one update to the tranny or as far as that goes, any other part of the Boss that the factory assumes responsibility. I keep hearing service and factory support. That is true. But, I itend to agree with Joe on the tranny issue. YOU ARE RIGHT JOE. Just my 2 cents and if it pissed someone off, you probably have paid too much money for a bike with an inferior part "tranny" installed in it also and have learned to deal with it. Have a great day and ride safe.....I LOVE MY BOSS
Thats about what mine makes and my TQ curve is flatter--I have had the tranny upgraded with a HD TQ converter and a different stator. My tire hooks up better than most but with all of that power it just spins the tire so you don't really have to worry about the tranny that much.zenbiker said:
Hey Bill, If I can't gripe here with friends and other Boss owners, then where? If you are tired of hearing me gripe..don't read the posts I make. Are you on your third tranny?...I am. The present one seems fine and you can post whatever you want about me or my griping and I'm not offended so why are you?
I'll express myself despite your criticisms or anyone else's. I'll deal with any feedback but I don't judge what you post and I expect the same courtesy. I'm not a mechanical wizard as you may be but I bought an item with the expectation that the trans would be as functional as was represented to me which it was not.
I love this bike and am working on it constantly to get it where I want it. If my posts offend you..too bad Chill out!....Joe
PS. Thanks, Russell!
I'll express myself despite your criticisms or anyone else's. I'll deal with any feedback but I don't judge what you post and I expect the same courtesy. I'm not a mechanical wizard as you may be but I bought an item with the expectation that the trans would be as functional as was represented to me which it was not.
I love this bike and am working on it constantly to get it where I want it. If my posts offend you..too bad Chill out!....Joe
PS. Thanks, Russell!
Bill,
Incidentally..If the rate limiting factor is the tire then why, in hell, would anyone go for a motor that will only spin the tire faster? Why would anyone putting a 600 HP motor in the bike use the 230 rear? Some time ago when Elliot was bitching about trashing trannies, the factory's response was that he was not using the stock tire. I rest my case...Joe
Incidentally..If the rate limiting factor is the tire then why, in hell, would anyone go for a motor that will only spin the tire faster? Why would anyone putting a 600 HP motor in the bike use the 230 rear? Some time ago when Elliot was bitching about trashing trannies, the factory's response was that he was not using the stock tire. I rest my case...Joe
Joe,
I'm offended because you have brought your frequent bitchin' about your tranny woes here to a public forum. Maybe the Yahoo forum would be a better location for you to vent. If the general public listened to you, they would never buy a Boss Hoss. I for one don't appreciate what that can potentially do to my resale value. I'm guessing that others would rather that their resale value stay on the higher side as well.
Your second post actually made my case. If a consumer modifies ANY vehicle, the manufacturer's warranty if void. Is that really a surprise to anyone here? Are you telling me that Elliot was actually surprised to hear that the factory had an issue with his modifications? Put big off-road tires and a lift kit on a 4x4 pickup and try to get a warranty issue covered by the manufacturer. It won't happen. To answer your specific question though, if someone put a 600 HP engine on their bike their warranty is already void...they might as well put a bigger tire on the bike at that point.
Look I'm not tryig to, in any way, deceive any potential Boss Hoss buyers regarding this topic. I just don't want them to latch-on to the rantings of the minority. There are plenty of guys running the 502 and 350 who are quite hard on their bikes and have 20k, 30k or more miles on them with no problems.
By the way Joe, you didn't respond to my question regarding down-shifting, running slow in 2nd gear, using reverse up a hill etc. You seem to take no responsibility for any of your specific tranny issues.
Bill
I'm offended because you have brought your frequent bitchin' about your tranny woes here to a public forum. Maybe the Yahoo forum would be a better location for you to vent. If the general public listened to you, they would never buy a Boss Hoss. I for one don't appreciate what that can potentially do to my resale value. I'm guessing that others would rather that their resale value stay on the higher side as well.
Your second post actually made my case. If a consumer modifies ANY vehicle, the manufacturer's warranty if void. Is that really a surprise to anyone here? Are you telling me that Elliot was actually surprised to hear that the factory had an issue with his modifications? Put big off-road tires and a lift kit on a 4x4 pickup and try to get a warranty issue covered by the manufacturer. It won't happen. To answer your specific question though, if someone put a 600 HP engine on their bike their warranty is already void...they might as well put a bigger tire on the bike at that point.
Look I'm not tryig to, in any way, deceive any potential Boss Hoss buyers regarding this topic. I just don't want them to latch-on to the rantings of the minority. There are plenty of guys running the 502 and 350 who are quite hard on their bikes and have 20k, 30k or more miles on them with no problems.
By the way Joe, you didn't respond to my question regarding down-shifting, running slow in 2nd gear, using reverse up a hill etc. You seem to take no responsibility for any of your specific tranny issues.
Bill
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Let me add to what I said earlier in Joes defense earlier. I do not want some to misunderstand what I was implying. On the tranny issue, what I said was my experience and my opinion. Let me add that Nesco has been wonderful on any correspondence or help that I needed. Since the upgrade, and the installation of the Coan, I have had no problem apart from the reverse issue.
I do not want our value to decline either, but lets face it, it will. I see that there has been several upgrades on different items. I am glad to see that the factory is taking some hints from some of the owners.
I have been riding since I was 12 years old and have ridden several different models. I too am willing, and love to get my hands greasy to keep the Boss running. However when someone spends the kind of money that we do to buy the Boss, you do not expect to have to work on it or should I say update it just so you can feel comfortable riding it more than from a trailer to main street and back.
I only ride a ZZ4. Now as I remember the warranty was 1 yr for the small block with NO warranty on the BIG BLOCK. Has that now changed?
Gotta go fix my Boss where I can ride tomorrow.
Russell
Let me add to what I said earlier in Joes defense earlier. I do not want some to misunderstand what I was implying. On the tranny issue, what I said was my experience and my opinion. Let me add that Nesco has been wonderful on any correspondence or help that I needed. Since the upgrade, and the installation of the Coan, I have had no problem apart from the reverse issue.
I do not want our value to decline either, but lets face it, it will. I see that there has been several upgrades on different items. I am glad to see that the factory is taking some hints from some of the owners.
I have been riding since I was 12 years old and have ridden several different models. I too am willing, and love to get my hands greasy to keep the Boss running. However when someone spends the kind of money that we do to buy the Boss, you do not expect to have to work on it or should I say update it just so you can feel comfortable riding it more than from a trailer to main street and back.
I only ride a ZZ4. Now as I remember the warranty was 1 yr for the small block with NO warranty on the BIG BLOCK. Has that now changed?
Gotta go fix my Boss where I can ride tomorrow.
Russell
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I tell people "This ain't no Honda, it's more like a Harley", as far as I can tell there are some folks that have bad luck no matter what they buy or ride. 
I would say I'm one of those guys but I take it as a way to learn. My bike has had lots of problems but most of them were from sitting for 4 years. I have just about all the bugs worked out and feel like this bike will be just as dependable as any Harley, not any Honda. :roll:
I have been pretty hard on my tranny and it has held up just fine. I think keeping it cool and not power shifting it into "overdrive" has been a big factor to keeping it running right.
By the way my 99 sold new for $21,500 and I think it has held it's value pretty good, much better than any Honda I've had :roll: but I don't buy bikes to make money or even break even, I buy them to ride the snot out of them and fix them up the way I like it.
By the way potential buyers do read our boards and hang on our every word, I know this for a fact as one guy was asking me about all the brake problems the Boss has. :roll: I'm not saying you should not say if there is a problem but you need to put the problems in context and realize that not everyone has problems and to make something out to be a big deal when it may just be your big deal is still going to cause some folks to look at another bike. Maybe that's a good thing but I don't think you will find one bike anywhere that doesn't have some sort of issue, yes even Honda's.
I would say I'm one of those guys but I take it as a way to learn. My bike has had lots of problems but most of them were from sitting for 4 years. I have just about all the bugs worked out and feel like this bike will be just as dependable as any Harley, not any Honda. :roll:I have been pretty hard on my tranny and it has held up just fine. I think keeping it cool and not power shifting it into "overdrive" has been a big factor to keeping it running right.
By the way my 99 sold new for $21,500 and I think it has held it's value pretty good, much better than any Honda I've had :roll: but I don't buy bikes to make money or even break even, I buy them to ride the snot out of them and fix them up the way I like it.
By the way potential buyers do read our boards and hang on our every word, I know this for a fact as one guy was asking me about all the brake problems the Boss has. :roll: I'm not saying you should not say if there is a problem but you need to put the problems in context and realize that not everyone has problems and to make something out to be a big deal when it may just be your big deal is still going to cause some folks to look at another bike. Maybe that's a good thing but I don't think you will find one bike anywhere that doesn't have some sort of issue, yes even Honda's.
Bill...How many people have bitched about the tranny? Why you have a particular hard one for me escapes me. Downshifting to first at 50..no problem. 70-80, however, seems a little wild. I never abused any of my trannies and the last upgrade has worked fine after 10,000 miles and am satisfied with it.
In terms of hurting resale...are we just supposed to "guild the lilly" here or talk about the true issues. The number of people on all of these forums is very small in relation to the buying public. By the way, you're right..Elliot is a bad example but many here including me have had tranny problems without violating the "rules."
Give it a rest already unless you're into personal vendettas.
You are a bright guy, I appreciate your input and hope we are not getting into a ridiculous pissing match for which I have no wish. Your on-line friend, Joe
In terms of hurting resale...are we just supposed to "guild the lilly" here or talk about the true issues. The number of people on all of these forums is very small in relation to the buying public. By the way, you're right..Elliot is a bad example but many here including me have had tranny problems without violating the "rules."
Give it a rest already unless you're into personal vendettas.
You are a bright guy, I appreciate your input and hope we are not getting into a ridiculous pissing match for which I have no wish. Your on-line friend, Joe
Joe,
It was never really anything personal. I just get defensive sometimes about my baby and will go to great lengths to make sure our bike's reputations are accurately portrayed!
I guess if I and many of my friends had tranny troubles I would be somewhat more inclined to discuss the frequency of tranny issues. I just haven't seen alarming amounts of issues here in Virginia and we have a large group of Boss Hoss Riders in our BHRA Chapter (26 members currently).
Anyway, our dealer here in Richmond is too busy selling bikes/trikes and CHANGING OUT MY REAR TIRES to have to change out too many transmissions! Lite those tires up!!!!!!!!!
Bill Taylor
It was never really anything personal. I just get defensive sometimes about my baby and will go to great lengths to make sure our bike's reputations are accurately portrayed!
I guess if I and many of my friends had tranny troubles I would be somewhat more inclined to discuss the frequency of tranny issues. I just haven't seen alarming amounts of issues here in Virginia and we have a large group of Boss Hoss Riders in our BHRA Chapter (26 members currently).
Anyway, our dealer here in Richmond is too busy selling bikes/trikes and CHANGING OUT MY REAR TIRES to have to change out too many transmissions! Lite those tires up!!!!!!!!!
Bill Taylor
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